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    July 25, 2010
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here's to the owners showing us the way. [trumpet playing "reveille" fades to silence] right now on msz msnbc sunday, going to extremes, a brutal heat wave in one part of the country, heavy rains and flooding in the midwest. a report ahead. panic and tragedy, a crush of party goers at an overcrowded music festival leads to a dozen deaths. a top new immigration law go into effect this week or will a judge put a stop to it. a day at the beach. not exactly. but designers unveil some of the coolest and hottest swim wear at their annual fashion show, pictures we just have to show you.
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good morning, i'm alex witt, welcome to msnbc sunday. violent storms causing heavy flooding in the midwest. in eastern iowa, 12 inches of rain fell in ten hours. that blew through an 83-year-old dan forcing the evacuation of hundreds of homes. chicago received over seven inches of rain on saturday, what the city normally gets in two summer months. in the suburb of westchester, crews plucked homeowners by boat. and it cooked the east coast and the south. in washington, d.c., the heat index soaring to 109. the relentless summer swelter is the talk of the town. >> it's sweltering. you get outside, as soon as you walk out of the door, you're drenched. >> 105 outside. the subway is going to be 115. >> i walk the dogs at 5:00 in the morning. it's too hot otherwise. >> let's go to the weather
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channel's jeff morrow for the latest. do you have good news for the folks on the east coast. what it looks like if you look at that map. what's up? >> more heat advisories in the darker shading in the eastern carolina in the outer banks and southwest p.a. those are heat warnings. the area is getting squeezed down the coast. getting a little bit of relief in the west. anybody from new york city all the way down to the southeast will be hot. that heat may be broken by some thunderstorms. this that you're looking at here, that's the chance for thunderstorms late in the day, anywhere from kentucky on over to philadelphia and dc. so the heat may finally be broken there. from southern areas of virginia down to the carolinas and georgia, there's no relief. norfolk, virginia hit the all-time record high. all-time. never been that hot there. it's quite a heat wave. >> yeah. it is. is there any relief insight. do you look at anything down the
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road in ten-day models to the future? people have had enough of this? >> they have. they are in these so-called dog days of summer. you have to expect it. this is excessive. we're going to get relief from new england back to parts of the midwest. the deep south -- i don't think so. >> jeff right there in atlanta. thank you for that. for all of you tracking this, extreme weather happening from coast-to-coast. get the forecast where you are, head to weather.com. a massive search under way for two u.s. navy troops who disappeared in a militant strong hold. the taliban say they have killed one of the service members and taken the other one prisoner. it's happening in the eastern part of the country, 60 miles or so in the capital. the americans left their compound on friday. it's not clear why they travelled to a particularly dangerous region. the man hunt continues this morning for a reward being offered for any information leading to their return. u.s. troops are facing dire
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threats of nuclear attack from north korea. this threat comes as american forces kick off joint military exercises with south korea. the secretive communist regime serious or are they rattling their sabers. let's bring in mike live from the white house. all of the exercises are getting the north's attention, certainly. is that what the plan was all along. >> you asked if the north was serious not without justification. you have the bluster making the threats to try to get attention and aid for the starving population. it's defined and never more so back in march. they fired a torpedo. found and alleged and proven by an international panel and a south korean ship. and that's the genesis of the latest crisis. yes, the north now is talking about using nuclear weapons? why? because today, alex, there's a joint military exercise involving 8,000 south korean and
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u.s. forces, scores of warships, the aircraft carrier nuclear powers u.s.s. george washington now in the seas off of the korean peninsula. this exercise causing a great deal of consternation. the sacred war and a physical reaction, boasting of its powerful nuclear deterrence and that's something that the international community -- the north's nuclear programs speaking of now, is trying to persuade hard. they are defiant. a nuclear plant is under production now. so the situation very tense now on this sunday morning in the yellow sea and in the waters surrounding the korean peninsula. >> any reaction of the white house state department, washington, all this. >> secretary gates, the secretary of defense, secretary clinton is in korea, south korea this past week. he did visit the demilitarized zone. the war ended the u.s.
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participation 57 years ago. a peace treaty was never signed, the countries are at war. there's the dramatic photograph with gates and clinton at the dmz with soldiers staring over their shoulders, alex. >> thank you. meantime in bridgeport, connecticut, two firefighters died battling the house fire. the two men were found unconscious yesterday on the top floor of that three-story house after they sent out may day calls. both before pronounced dead at the hospital. officials are investigating the cause of that fire. in san diego, violence at the annual convention for comic book and sci-fi fans. authorities arrested one man for allegedly stabbing another man with a pen. the two were waiting for a film preview and the argument started over the seating there. that's when the suspect took out a pen and cut the man around his eyel eyelid. the suspect claims he was attacked first. happening now, crews are
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getting back to work on permanently plugging that oil well in the gulf of mexico after tropical storm bonnie chased them away. jana chanley right there on the scene in new orleans. what's the status right now on perm negligently fixing that busted well. good morning, alex. we have to welcome you back from vacation. great to see you in the anchor chair once again. down to business. this is going to delay the permanent capping of the well, even though bonnie was a disorganized storm and broke up and the warnings were cancelled by midday yesterday. all of that spooling down of this operation has, according to admiral thad allen delayed the permanent capping by a week. they're putting that now at mid august. that said, the vessel that was drilling the relief well was back on the scene yesterday by midday. but there's a lot of things that they kind of took apart,
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including a mile-long section of pipe that's in 40 or 50 pieces that now have to be reassembled. they're -- in some ways, playing a lille game of cat and mouse with the weather because this system is out of our way now. we're seeing the remnants here at lake pontchartrain this morning. when is the next one? we go to early august, that's one of the peaks of the hurricane season. so we want to try to get back to business as quickly as possible because we don't know when the next storm is coming. it's delayed the permanent capping of the well by a week, alex. >> on the other end of the spectrum, some are saying the remnants of bonnie can be a good thing for the oil spill? why is that? >> there is a school of thought that says that the churning walters of the gulf will actually help dissipate the oil slick and break up the tar balls and that people go to the beaches today may in fact see them cleaner than they did 24 hours ago as a result of this. is if you're looking for a
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silver lining, it's that. >> oh thanks, janet. what was supposed to be joyous festival turned tragic. 19 concertgoers were killed. twice as many showed up and a stampede broke out. they were crowding into that tunnel even though there was nowhere to go at the other end. the victims were trampled, crushed against the walls as the police screamed for the crowd to turn around and move the other way. the investigation of security preparations is now under way. a lot of news about the lockerbie bomber is in the news today. ""the new york times"" said they encouraged the release while the express said the doctor examining him in jail never said he only had three months to live. tazim, good morning. i know the president has said
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all along that releasing al-megrahi was a bad move, but what are the sunday times claiming today? >> the sunday times obtained a document from the deputy minister to scottish ministers saying they wanted him to stay in prison. if he had to be released, conditional release on compassionate grounds would be far preferable to jailing him in libya. the u.s. can't argue that it was absolute on the decision made to release him because the scottish government were led to believe that the u.s. resistance to his relief would be limited and they were you should the impression that the u.s. would not be that troubled by it. scottish politicians are talking today and they confirmed it saying that they believed that the release on compassionate grounds was the preferred option as far as the u.s. was concerned. and the newspapers are saying the u.s. is trying to keep it under wraps.
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so we kakcontacted the embassy e in london and they told us they don't comment on diplomatic oh currents. all the reports say he would be dead within six months. now this doctor said he onnever said he only had three months to live. any other doctors here? >> the doctors that examined him said he had three months to live due to the cancer he has. another doctor came forward and spoke to a british newspaper and he said he never said that he had three months and he's not at all surprised he's still alive. dr. jonathan waxman is one of the world's leading on coscolog. he's claiming the scottish government took their own advice and his diagnosis was ignored. one of the doctors said he could
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survive for another decade or so. the rau is deepening. >> thank you so much. the dam is breach in iowa after heavy rains leaves one community and hundreds in peril. live reports next. new criticisms for how the white house is handling race relations. could an honest discussion help the president or hurt him? later, making a splash. americans may be buying fewer clothes. but sales of swim wear is on the rise. what's fueling this trend coming up on msnbc sunday. they're pictures we just got to show you. [ dog ] i am beautiful...
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developing news from the war front. two american sailors are missing in afghanistan. one was killed in a fire fight. the other taken prisoner by militants. bring in jim miklievshevski. what's the status of the one that's reportedly been killed? is there clear implication on that? >> there's still a lot of loose ends and a lot of confusion about what happened here. as you know, these two american sailors went missing on friday. as they were driving from one u.s. military compound to another, but what' totally baffling to most there in the military and afghanistan is how they ended up 80 miles to the south there in logar province. that's where according to accounts from afghan officials, the suv that was driven by the two sailors was first spotted, the taliban then set up an
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ambush. there was a gun battle. one american was killed, the other taken hot -- hostages. at the same time, alex, somewhat forbodingly, they are not able to refute it either. >> what does that do to the reports that the taliban is trying to cut a deal by offering the body of this dead servicemen, again, in their words in exchange for something. >> at this point, it's not even clear, actually, which taliban group this may be. there are so many. but there are reports that one taliban group is demanding that other taliban prisoners develop in afghanistan will be released in exchange for the body of one american. but u.s. military officials confirm rather firmly this morning that it remains u.s. -- u.s. policy, not to negotiate for the release of hostages. at the same time, however, as you alluded to, there's an intense search underway for these two sailors.
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american soldiers have set up check points. passing out leaflets with the photographs of the two missing, offering a $20,000 reward for the return. >> i know, jim, you've been in the region. the topography, when they talk about how they would have gotten lost in the first place, is it secure? are the roads mapped out? do you see how they might have gotten lost? oh. >> you know, since i don't drive myself in kabul, and i -- i watch as we worked our way through the heavy traffic and then to the outskirts, i do wonder sometimes how how i would negotiate it if i was forced to. but according to officials, these two sailors have been in the region for sometime. as one u.s. military official described it, it was fairly routine for them to drive from one place to another. they were actually involved in training afghan military which is at a separate location from their compound there in afghanistan. so that's what is -- that's
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what's so confusing to many. they would have had some familiarity to the roadway there is in kabul. it's not clear, again, how they would have ended up 80 miles to the south. >> again, thanks for that report. appreciate that. treacherous floods inundated one town there in peril. a torrent of water ripped a 30-foot-high hole in the lake of delhi dam. homes are evacuated as residents are headed for higher ground. the weather channel's janell hi is in iowa for us. what are you seeing there? we're seeing water, that's for sure. >> there are 100 people standing where i am yesterday watching the river go up and all of a sudden it broke through the dam. look at the result -- a 30-foot hole in this dam that's been here since the 1930s. all of a sudden, the 30-foot-wide hole. the power is rushing through it. it took homes as you mentioned.
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a lot of people had to rush out in a hurry. they had a five-minute warning and a siren that gave them warning toe vak wait. amazingly, -- to evacuate. many homes are damaged, many businesses, cars are underwater. cleanup going on here today. and there's a concern for the towns downriver because the water is so high. ten inches of rain here in 12 hours over the weekend. so this is really setting a whole new record for this area and a lot of concern about where this river water is going to go, alex. >> so, janell, how many people have been displaced from their homes and when are they expecting to be let back in? >> about 700 people had to evacuate yesterday. many more did leave voluntarily because they were taking precautions. some of them are back in now. a lot more are still staying out
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because they have water in their basements. we saw a home on the river bank that perched on the edge of a cliff that looks like it will go in any minute. there's concern here about how this is going to end up and a lot of people are worried about this water getting higher than it is. >> that's right. that's a broken dam behind it. you have to get it fixed. janell kline there in iowa. thank you. still ahead, russian president vladimir putin speaks out after meeting with the ten spies that are from the u.s. clothing sales may have taken a dip, swim suits is another story. why is speedo is making a come back. and 3-d turned avatar in an enormous money maker. what about the signs that 3-d might just be a passing fad? [ male announcer ] we make them beautiful. ♪
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>> cannot be here. go back. this is your fault. >> i need your help. >> you know that film, the megablockbuster "avatar" proved 3-d is the king at the box office. is the technology's pop ularity already fading? "avatar" made the earnings from the 3-d screenings and "how to train your dragon." but subsequent films marketed earned less and less. despicable me has raked in 45% of the revenue from 3-d. joining me live from los angeles is box office president with hollywood.com and an early good morning to you. thanks for being with us, paul. >> great to be with you. >> 3-d, here to stay or a passing fad? >> at first, i thought it was
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the biggest thing ever. then i tempered that with the idea that it might be a passing fad. i looked at the numbers how films like "toy story 3" in 3-d, "lis in wonderland," "shrek forever after." and there's 25 films set for release in 3-d next year. maybe it's not a fad but it's up to the audience whether they want to pay the extra money and whether the experience in the theater delivers what they want. >> okay, so do you have an explanation? any thoughts as to why this may be a failing trend, falling trend? >> i think audiences at first are very excited about 3-d. "avatar," obviously the highest-grossing movie of all time in 3-d. you have to deliver time after time to the audience. while the recession is fueled, a lot of movie going, that kind of thing, people are watching their pocketbooks. if that experience costs more
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money, it better be a damn good experience. people aren't going to want to pay that upcharge for the 3-d experience. the top grossing film of the year, the top two grossing films on the year are in 3-d. that says a lot. >> maybe, too, the families that are on budgets, family-oriented films. you have a lot of money to take to your friend and the like. that's a lot of money as opposed to a family going to see "avatar." richard ebert blasted it saying because he doesn't like the format because the image is noticeably darker than standard 2-d. is there a quality difference? >> there is. and there's a difference between films that are originated in 3-d like an avatar and films that are converted like a clash in the titans. it makes a difference in the quality, like james cameron who walked in and saw 3-d screenings of "avatar," he was disappointed. think the quality issues can be
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improved. there's no substitute for a script. you can convert any movie to 3-d. a great script, a good story idea, and something to emotio l emotionalemotiona emotionally grab the audience besides just a stunning visual, you need a great story. roger ebert would agree with that. >> go back to bed, for heaven's sakes. it's only 5:30 in the morning where you are. >> i'm going to up. >> thank you. the running of the bulls. a far cry from the real thing in spain. hundreds of earnest hemming way look alikes turned out with their fake bulls on saturday in key west. it was part of the celebration of the birthday of papa. every year, a festival is held in honor of his birthday which is thursday. he lived on the island and wrote many of his best works right there. ♪ wasting away again in margaritaville ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] anything mayo can do
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the midwest is reeling from a string of thunderstorms that caused dangerous flooding. an 83-year-old dam broke in eastern iowa forcing the evacuation of huffington. the storms dumped ten inches of rain on that region. the milwaukee county is still dealing with rains that hammered wisconsin on thursday. damage from that storm is estimated at $28 million. oppressive heat continues to blanket the east coast. residents flocked to coney island to try to beat the heat. one death at least related to the sweltering conditions reported saturday as a bicyclist went to cardiac arrest in maryland. more from jeff morrow. jeff? >> alex, the heat continues, unfortunately, along much of the southeast coast and the mid atlantic as well. everywhere you look at the shading here, we're talking about heat advisories and heat warnings as well. excessive heat warnings in
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carolina to the coast and to the areas of pennsylvania and philadelphia. yesterday, norfolk hit an all-time record high, never been that hot before, up around 106 degrees. just amazing stuff. the only thing that's going to break this heat are the big thunderstorms. of course, over the last couple of days, we've been hearing about the nalsty thunderstorms with the massive flooding in iowa in the chicagoland area. some of the storms will sag south. anywhere from kentucky to the mid atlantic, some of the heat may be broken by some of the storms. no such luck from southern virginia all the way down to the carolinas and southeast georgia. alex? >> thanks for that. president obama reaching out to the base amid growing criticism on the left. made a surprise appearance yesterday in the meeting in las va gas. the president urged voters not to lose hope even though the campaign pledges have been put on the back burner. >> i'm asking you to keep making
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your voices heard, to keep holding me accountable, to keep up the fight. change is hard, but if we've learned anything the past 18 monthings, it es is that change possible. >> the president is beginning the efforts to repeal "don't ask don't tell" and control the base in guantanamo. politicians and journalists alike are assessing the toll it's taking on the administration. eleanor, good sunday morning to you? >> good morning, alex. >> let me get to something. i want to read you something said by james clyburn what he told maureen dowd for the new york times. it reads, the president is getting hurt real bad. he needs black people around them. some people over there are not sensitive at all about race. they feel the extent he allows to talk about race would tend to pigeon hole him or cost him support when a lot of people saw his election as a way to get the issue behind us. what's your take on that? >> i think congressman clyburn
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is correct in assessing the fact that this white house doesn't want to talk about race. that he's not prepared to take the issue on directly. we live in such a poisonous political atmosphere that i think it's very difficult to have, you know, the conversation that everybody claims to want. to have it without it becoming really full of rancor and be used as a tool to divide us. and i think the white house handled the shirley sherrod episode disastrously from the beginning. but i think retrieved the situation -- the president called her. i think she's now -- if she wants, can continue her work on social jus tils, on a much bigger scale. if she chooses. but i think we're heading to an elections season here, not only this november, but november of
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2012. and i think both parties, you know, selectively play what we call the race card. but one party, the republicans, basically used it as a core of their strategy going back to the '70s in the southern strategy. and i think efforts to use race to divide us will continue. and i don't know that there's all that much this president can do about that except fight back. >> so to spearhead an honest conversation about race relations in this country. you think that would hurt him? >> how would you envision he do that? i had -- he had one summit. >> mm-hmm. >> i suppose maybe a thoughtful speech on some occasion that would be useful. but, again, i think right now, race is a tool of politics. and i think it's very difficult for him to take it beyond that. >> you know, when you talk about
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how would you go about doing that, you remember in the campaign, he delivered that very well received speech on race in philadelphia. that would seem to offer a broad understanding on every side of the issue. would that be the kind of thing the president can go and speak about? part of the reason you may not want to do this is he does have a few other things to attend to. >> exactly. exactly. he gave that speech in philadelphia during the campaign because his -- his campaign was falling apart because of those pastorer is months that were out there. so he had to do that. i think it would be smart of this white house maybe, again, to find some occasion that marks some milestone in civil rights progress and use that as a way to kind of assess where we are. because some of the commentary this last week was just way over the top saying this is the worst race relations have ever been. i don't think that's the case. and to try and bring some perspective to the issue. and also, to tell people, don't
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be fooled when you see, you know, selective videotapes and comments taken out of context that you don't have to run away from racial issues. you can fight back. i think the white house was believed this last week. when you're the president of the united states and you're bullied, that doesn't leave anybody with a very good feeling. >> yeah, all right, well, not going to bully you when you come back. see you in a little bit. thanks so much. >> thanks. a heart breaking revelation as authorities abandon hope of finding alive four people missing in a crash in lake michigan. the plane went down friday while flying a cancer patient to the mayo clinic. a boater was able to rescue a pilot. the doctor onboard wrote his family and friends minutes before the plane crash. it said, dear all, we love you, we lost power in the middle of lake michigan and are turning back. we are praying to god that all will be taken care of. we love you, jim. north korea says it's ready
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to go nuclear in the response to the u.s. and south korean war games. the with the exercises under way, the communist regime warns a, quote, sacred war could be launched at any time. bruce clinger of the heritage foundation. good morning. >> good morning. >> we have south koreans encountering what they're calling aggressive behavior by the north. is it an effective reign by the regime? how do you see it? >> the satisfactory response on a north korean attack on a naval ship, that showed the limits of the action. it's imperative that the u.s. and the allies undertake the military exercises as well as the additional sanctions to show resolve. as part of an overall comprehensive diplomatic strategy. >> what would you prefer the nations do? >> we needed what south korea is hoping for. a resolution that can condemn
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them by name, deploring the attack but not identifying the attacker and the punitive measures. >> how high are tensions in the region right now? >> pretty high. the north korean rhetoric is high by western standards and consistent with decades of north korean threats. so, there's no imminent attack. they're unlikely to attack the naval ships or imminent hostilities. that said, the tensions are higher because of the north korean willingness to go back to the high-risk states such as attacking the ships. a lot of uncertainty about what north korea may do. >> a lot of times people look at what north korea does is saber rattling. but to get a bargaining chip from the west. what do you think about that approach? and what would it take to get north korea back to a bargaining table? >> well, right now, there's not a lot of optimism that north korea will come back to the
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negotiating table in an effective way. even obama administration officials will say they now don't think north korea will give up the nuclear weapons. and there's little optimism that when we get back to the six-party talks they would be effective to get north korea to fulfill the denuclearization commitments. right now we'll see a leaning on pressure tactics, whether secretary clinton announced this week, the military display to show strength. there's a hope that eventually they'll come back to the negotiating table, but right now, it's not likely. >> we're going to further the discussion a little later. thanks so much. >> my pleasure. thank you. vladimir putin is praising the ten russian spies deported to the u.s. after being busted by the fbi. putin said he met with the former secret agents, including the redhead, anna chapman, and promised them a bright future in russia. the prime minister had some personal experience working undercover and he served as a kgb agent himself in west germany. americans are buying less
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clothing amid the economic slump. the sales of swim wear, that's up, specifically in the men's department. michel michelle kozynski has the details in miami beach. swim wear designers from around the world descended on steamy miami beach. >> a big thank you to the kardashian sisters. >> reporter: bringing celebrities, super humans with more skin that's possible, and swim suits we'll see next summer. dizzying, almost unfathomable prints. this makes an optical illusion. >> genius. >> reporter: how's this for your 3-year-old. it's like an explosion. what happen? >> tough times, they want something new, fresh, color, they want excitement. >> reporter: like the new slightly scary gathered back.
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but the really big surprise right now, it's all about the guys. ♪ i'm too sexy for my shirt too sexy for my shirt ♪ ♪ so sexy it hurtles >> men's swim wear has boomed, up 20% in the last year, even though clothing sales overall in the u.s. are still down. back in the day, guys didn't pay a lot of attention, now it's the hottest territory. expect shrinkage -- meaning the suit. getting smaller, much smaller. >> don't be afraid to enjoy. >> reporter: think less borat, more bond. >> last year, how much longer would that have been -- >> they would just be coming up a little bit every year. >> what about next year? >> no, i think we stop here. >> some analysts even think that trunky little trunks are a sign of economic recovery.
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designer crystal jenn launched her new line in tough times last year and now she's thinking of expanding, yes, for the guys too. >> men are becoming more and more fashionable. they're really going out there and they're like the ladies now, they're picking out all of the great things. >> let's make them squeeze into spandex for once. >> sexy, easy, light, and it's not going to break the bank to do it. >> something for everyone is how this industry is keeping us buying. ♪ fiesta >> rest assured, designers have covered, or not. michelle kazynski, nbc news, miami beach. >> it's supposed to go into effect on thursday. will it be stop? the legal battles of the controversial immigration law on msnbc sunday. what you did at this morning's meeting? that was pure poetry.
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a federal judge is considering two motions aimed at stopping the immigration law from going into effect. good morning to both of you. >> hi, alex. >> the new york district judge right now hearing the arguments last week. she appeared to be focused on three key issues. those being, first, the constitutionality of state enforcement. the increased burden of law enforcement in terms of the realtime checking of immigration status and the public safety issues involved in human trafficking. she's indicated, you guys, that some of these -- some of the law may stand, other parts not. how do you see these things going down? are there parts that she'll say, that's out of here? >> for the most part, she's going to uphold the law. there are added criminal provisions that she might strike. there's 14 sections to the statute. the one that the national media is concerned about, the world, mexico, latin america and
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central american countries are am cus briefs is the reasonable suspicion clause after there's a stop. that she's going to uphold. >> you're saying now. >> i have so many issues with this law because the reasonable suspicion standard is just a vague term. and it's not so much that you're doing it in the course of pulling somebody over or there's a crime of it. it says lawful contact. what does that mean? what is reasonable suspicion of being an immigrant mean? what are the telltale signs? there's movement, it's at night. how do you know? somebody who speaks spanish is an immigrant over somebody who doesn't. it's america. >> what a lot of people are wondering, it seems to be not clarified, if somebody is pulled over, are they pulled over for breaking a law other than this reasonable suspicion? i mean, do they -- do they have to be pulled over for something
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legitimate in the eyes of law enforcement. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> not like somebody walking down the street. >> i disagree. >> i disagree with that. the law is so vague and so broad that it gives the police discretion to say, hey, look, that person looks like an immigrant. do your have your papers. that's the problem with the law. i'm not saying that there should not be specific laws. but the way it's written it's too broad and too general and you can't ask somebody -- it sounds like nazi, germany. do you have your papers? you can't do that to people. >> you can only inquire if a reasonable suspicion occurs you can inquire after a lawful contact. the governor issued a statement saying reasonable suspicion is not premised on race, color, or national origin. it has to be something else. >> let's talk about a traffic violation. somebody runs a red light. there's a reasonable reason to pull them over? >> right. >> if that has to be the person before asking somebody for their
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nationality, their origins, if they're legally here or not. >> right. >> you're worried that's not even going to happen. >> that's not how it's written. we usually have years of case law to tell you what is reasonable suspicion. we don't have this here. in a criminal case, there's forgetive movements, at night, in a bad area, i know there's reasonable suspicion. here we don't have that. we don't have a way to determine if someone is hispanic or an immigrant. how do you know? >> thanks so much. next meet a woman whose creativity in the kitchen helped save her home from foreclosure. more on this msnbc sunday.
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saved her house with cakes.
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now she's starting a business with those cakes. the jersey mom is raising money to keep her house from foreclosure. she managed to do it. angela is here in the studio right now with one of the fabulous apple cakes. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> congratulations on your can-do spirit and taking what your grandmother taught you as a child, how to bake, and turning it in to something so profitable. how did you do it? >> well, necessity is what created this invention, you might say. 100 cakes in tend days. i set a goal to do that when my house was going in foreclosure. people came, people started buying the cakes. and the story went international and hundreds of cakes were sold. >> you're out of foreclosure. >> the house still -- we still have to do things to the house, but the house is out of foreclosure. i'm baking and selling cakes on-line at bakemeawish.com. and i'm also helping giving 5%
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to help other people with their mortgage. i'm also speaking for green path, which is an organization that helps people with debt solution and mort gablg problems. >> it is an extraordinary thing you accomplished. you're like the classic american entrepreneurial spirit now. you turned things around. you've got a thriving business. >> yeah, it's happening. people are loving the cakes. i'm very happy about that. >> they love them. they're kind of healthy. you talked about taking grandmother's recipe and turning it organic, right? >> getting rid of the white flour, whole wheat and organic confection. fresh apples all the tile. i use fresh apples in all of my cakes. >> that's the big secret, then. >> yes. >> your friends started buying it. what got the word out? so darn good tasty? your friends trying to support
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you or both? >> it was both. >> my friends were supporting me. they told their friends and some people buying six cakes as a time. some people buying two. it took off. i know you're an actress as well. you've been on "law & order" on nbc. did you find yourself thinking, i can't believe this is my reality. i have to be acting in something when you found yourself in dire straits? >> the business goes up and down. but it never had been down the way it did. there were unfortunate circumstances where money was taken from me and the agency closed and we had a horrible construction fiasco. the cards fell in the wrong direction at that particular time. it was a frightening time.
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i thought, this cake is the cake that we took to parties. and my kids would eat the entire thing in one day. >> tell you something, looking at it, i think the studio is thinking the same thing right now. $39.95, "bake me a wish"-dot.com. love your story. the dangerous heat wave continues for parts of the country. the forecast coming up at the top of the hour on msnbc sunday. finally, what you love is what your skin needs. experience new positively nourishing body washes from aveeno,
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